Utopian Reformist

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  Dear Brothers and Sisters

  by JWMAN in

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  dear brothers and sisters:.

  there is darkness in this world.

  many have e-mailed me with concerns and asking for help and advise.

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  Utopian Reformist

  JWMAN is a previous poster (NYTELEDUMB)! Figure it out!
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  Double-standards?

  by Billygoat in

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  how is it that a woman can look at another woman and say, "wow!

  " and nobody thinks a thing about it.

  but when a man looks at another man and says, "wow!

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  I remember when I was a young US Marine, serving in Okinawa (Onna Point) and everyone used to watch adult films. What I still have never understood to this day is why the films aimed at entertaining males include other males?

  I thought the goal was to see naked women, right? So why all the hairy guys in every scene? I for one do NOT want to see another man's genitals. So, I figured out early on they were just masturbation tools and pervert tools.

  Now, I find that women are even more sexy with clothes on because it stirs my imagination. I would always rather be surrounded by women without a man in sight! I guess I would consider the amazons my friends!
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  Full time service among ex JWs

  by joelbear in

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  it seems that a disproportionate percentage of us were involved in the fulltime service at some point.. does this have something to do with us being exes?.

  take care.

  joel (7 months bethelite, 2 years pioneer)

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  As a theocratic infant, I think the full-time service represented an obligation and sacrifice and made me feel righteous, for the very first time in my life.

  As years passed, I think it began to represent a daily routine and responsibilities, plus a sort of club membership.

  Almost two decades later, it represents nothing more than FATIGUE and INCONVENIENCE!

  As I began my inactivity/freedom, I realized how much service shaped my every day attitude toward getting things accomplished. When I missed service, my grades jumped accordingly.

  When I made special efforts for campaigns and special visits, my health, my attitude and my grades suffered. It is not a happy recipe.
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  What is sexy to you?

  by Tammie in

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  when i read the "gossip" colums of the newspapers.

  most of the time they are talking about famous people splitting up.

  and who is the most elgible bachular, and so on.. so i pose a question to everyone that reads this.

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  Just remember.....

  "SEXY" is always "SEX-IER" than sex itself! Think about it!
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  Newbie alert !!! Just wanted to say hello...

  by sadiejive in

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  i came here by chance...looking for none other than jw material:) i am currently studying with jw's and attend the kh but am not baptized, as are none of the members of my fam...yet.

  i've been studying for almost 4 years with the witnesses.

  i am confused...that's the simplest way of putting it.

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  Dearest SADIEJIVE:

  Welcome! I am sure all of us happy and proud that you are an independent thinker! Life is short and rough and full of many choices, therefore don't rush into anything.

  FARKEL's story belongs to thousands of JW children around the world. It may sound unbelievable to allow that much control over your own family, but it's true and it happens every day. If WACO, HEAVEN'S GATE, PEOPLE'S TEMPLE could happen, then anything is possible with religion.

  Your husband is like many "new" men who begin their usual so-called "thoecratic" careers with the witnesses. He is impressed by their knowledge, their organized way of doing everything, their cleanliness, their authority. At first, all of these things seem so harmless and simple and safe in a world filled with bad news, however, pay careful and close attention to the individual demeanor and behavior of the people in your congregation. You will begin to subtly notice some very unusual things.

  Watch how the "spiritual men" quietly organize and control all of the meeting programs. Watch how people answer questions directly from witness books, even when they paraphrase they only mimmick the material in the literature. See if anyone ever dares ask a question or make a comment that doesn't agree with the scripted program. And, if someone has that brand of courage, see if they are ever allowed to comment again and watch how they are treated by everyone, if they come back.

  As you attend meetings and your weekly study, quietly notice the expressions and gestures of certain people, then ask yourself are they really bubbling with joy? Do they really look so happy?

  When they are out in service, monitor their actions when they meet householders, and then decide for yourself whether or not witnesses have multiple personalities. Why does the manner of speech and words change inside and outside of the hall? When you visit their homes look around and see if things look so normal and well adjusted.

  When you are studying with the couple or sisters, watch their expressions when you ask certain provoking questions and see if meet hesitation, secrecy, indifference and possibly opposition.

  Look, these are not the worst people in the world, but like any organization made up of people, it contains flaws. In this case, the flaws are in the policies and teachings of the organization itself.

  Ask yourself, does it is really sound loving or christian to impose rules and restrictions over people? If the bible is what you believe, aren't there already enough principles and guidelines in there to follow?

  Is it really loving to control people and their behavior? Even if you could, would that behavior be voluntary or imposed? Is that the obedience and freedom that Jesus promised?

  After 17 years and too many problems, I have numerous stories of my own which are similar, but all I can say, use your feminine intuition and be skeptical. Use the same research and skepticism that would when buying products or making major purchases and decisions.

  After all, if its really the truth, it isn't going anywhere, right? So what's the hurry?

  Your new friend!
  AMICUS NOVO!
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  Can You Imagine Jesus Losing One Of His Disciples?

  by MadApostate in

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  canterbury .

  thursday, 20 december 2001 .

  12 december 2001. by seth robson.

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  Uncle Bruce:

  Your remarks are calloused, cold, uncaring, thoughtless, vicious, cruel, immature and evil. Even JW's are human beings and bleed like the rest of us. Thx for your tirade! Great contribution!

  "PARLARE SINE CURA EST STULTO ET INUTIL"
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  Greed Blinds JW Elder To Planned Suicide

  by MadApostate in

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  investigation continues into deaths of man, woman found in waco motel.

  by paul monies .

  tribune-herald staff writer.

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  Utopian Reformist

  EVERYONE PLEASE SLOW DOWN!

  First of all, while this report is valid and true, it only gives limited details concerning the conversation between the woman and the elder.

  It says "he encouraged her to quit smoking". So what? Does that automatically imply his only interest was in securing the estate and performing his "special assignment" from Bethel?

  Maybe the incident (no matter how sad) might not warrant FULL IN-DEPTH COVERAGE (like reporting more details about the elder, her relationship with the local JW's and the conversation) with all of the other "news worthy" topics of the day, has anyone thought about that before we draw our swords? Just a thought to let things develop and wait or search for more information before making judgments, that's all. It serves all of us better and is more helpful.
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  Same old drivel

  by OlderTom in

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  been gone for a while, getting on with my post watchtower life.. yep there is life after the watchtower.

  lots of it and i havent even been getting into the juisy bits yet.

  drugs, booze, women.

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  This sounds like someone we know posting under another name. In either case, if the forum is boring today or any other day, why not add something exciting? Where is your content to end the boredom? Be a solution, not a part of the problem, if it actually exists.
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  the 80's

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  hey all, i received this in email today at work.

  i always find these remember things funny, 70's or 80's.... but as i was reading this list, it got me thinking about some of the things i don't truly remember (okay, i remember but they were no-no's) because of my jw enforced childhood.

  so here's the list with some of my comments:.

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  NICE MEMORIES!
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  What if there was not DFing of apostates?

  by YoYoMama in

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  i was wondering today.

  what if the witnesses did not have a policy of disfellowshipping those that are apostates.

  what would the congregations be like?

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  The WTBS could not allow the possibility of an "open style forum" to develop in the congregations. Questions would give rise to more questions, leading to discussions and debates, thus interrupting the scheduled "feeding" program.

  In order to maintain human support and loyalty in an endeavor, you must convince, indoctrinate, then manage and supervise the behavior and the outcomes. The WTBS could not keep the same numbers of active members once open discussion occurs.

  Therefore, individual auditing of personal beliefs is not encouraged but frowned upon as disloyalty, and thus punished administratively.

  Perhaps, after the Geritol Body has passed on, a newer more enlightened and empathic generation of JW's may begin the process that leads to mainstream change. Maybe, remember it's still a cult!